Secular Meltdown! Oh My God!

imagesSee this bloke?

His name is Tom Hoopes and he’s a writer in residence at Benedictine College in Atchison, Kansas.

He has quite a lot to say about religion, especially Catholicism and the moral collapse of Europe.

Let’s have a look at what he has to say, shall we?

Excerpts from his post are in blue, others are in red.

Sometimes it feels like the whole world is collapsing around us.

Not to me it doesn’t.  But then I’m not steeped in Catholic guilt.

It’s not. But you can see why it looks like it is.

Do tell.  I’m agog.

Ireland rejected what every major religion and every major civilization in history has said about marriage. (Marriage is the state’s protection and encouragement of potential parents. Marriage in Ireland is the state’s registry of “official” sexual partners.)

Erm…  Are you talking about one man, one woman? That won’t wash, sorry.

I’ve already talked about what the Bible considers to be valid forms of marriage.

Under Islam, a man can have four wives:

Surat An-Nisā’ [4:3]

And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

Also, several other religions either allow or tolerate polygamy/polyandry (polygyny).

So, there are now and have been through history, many different forms of marriage, none of which are shown to be a factor in the collapse of any civilisation.

False claim there, Fruitloop.  

As I said, earlier, even your own Bible recognises many forms of marriage that lay outside the one man, one woman pattern.

In America, public opinion has changed drastically to reject common sense morality: big majorities say you can kill yourself through physician-assisted suicide, turn your descendants into science projects through embryonic research, and that pretty much any kind of sex with most anyone else is probably fine.


Public opinion is turning away from religion, not morality.  You are conflating separate issues, with no evidence to support your position that morality relies on religion.  History is rife with examples the the exact opposite!

Morality exists in spite of religion.

Meanwhile, in Europe, hostility to religion is an ominous dark cloud casting doubt on the future of religious freedom.

Ahem! Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion.  A freedom that more and more people are taking advantage of. And if there is hostility towards religion, can you actually, truthfully say you’re surprised?  Religion doesn’t really have such a stellar reputation when it comes to hostility.  You only have to look at the protests by Muslims when someone says something innocuous like, for example:

“Fuck Allah! (Piss Be Upon Him)”

That was an example of my religious freedom to state my opinion.

It is all beyond depressing.

Not to me it isn’t.

But there is one terrible little secret that changes the whole picture: The whole edifice of aggressive radical secularism will come crashing down in our lifetime.

Ooh! This is gonna be good.

This is a practically a scientific certainty, but no one wants to admit it.

Pew Research spells it out with seven charts. They show that the West is contracepting and aborting its future away. We will soon have few workers supporting many dependents in a situation that has already led to economic disaster in Japan.

Hang on! If it’s secret, then how come an open study has been carried out with publicly accessible results?

Meanwhile, in India and Africa, the population is growing and getting proportionally younger. India and Africa in 2050 will have far more workers with fewer older dependents.

Consequently, population centers will shift eastward and southward — by 2050 Nigeria’s population will surpass America’s.

So, the world population is shifting.  As it has done many, many times throughout history… Your point?

Also, I really don’t know how you can comfortably squeeze 300 million+ people into an area roughly twice the size of California.

Europe’s population will drop precipitously, and what will remain in 2050 will be much more likely to support Sharia and much less likely to support same-sex marriage than they are today. At the same time, America will become mostly Latino.

A lower population count will lead to the acceptance of a religious ideology, one that is proven to be even more intolerant than Catholicism?

Citation required.

If the current population is rejecting religion in greater numbers than ever before, why do you believe that the population of the future will embrace it?

The radically secularist West is like Will Ferrell in Old School. He is an older man, drunk on the beer of the fake frat house he and his friends invented to relive the loose morals of their college days. Believing himself a triumphant trend-setter, he streaks down the street, imagining crowds of people following him.

Like him, the West is in for a rude awakening.

Really not sure how you arrived at this ridiculous analogy.

The party morals we are living make a lot of noise, but they have no future. It is only a matter of time before we realize we have no clothes on, and no one coming after us, and that we are running down an empty street in the dark.



• Already, today, India has five times as many Catholics as Ireland. And India is ambitious and important the way Ireland used to be. The Irish helped build the industrial age; the Indians are programming the digital age as Ireland drifts into irrelevance.

My issue here is one of pure mathematics.

The population of Ireland as at 2013 was 4.595 million, whilst the population of India over the same period was 1.252 billion.

So, if the entire population of Ireland identified as Catholic (they don’t) then the Catholic population of India would be 22.975 million. Which equates to 0.37% (approx) of the population.  You make it sound like India (a Hindu state) is awash with Catholics when Ireland (a Catholic state) is not.

Way to skew the statistics to make them look scarier!

• China took America’s spot as the world’s largest economy already — and by 2030 will have more churchgoers than America; churchgoers who fought to get to their pews, not churchgoers who couldn’t wait to get out.


Yet again, the numbers are telling.  Compare the population of America (318 Million) to the population of China (1.357 billion).  The important thing about the economies of these two countries is all about the size of the workforce not their religious opinions.

• And as the members of the shrinking Catholic community in Europe debate how much they should change Christ’s teachings to appease the frat houses of the West, the Church rising in Africa is happy with the Gospel as it is, thank you.

But they are clearly not!

And there must be a reason for that.  Maybe it is because people of Europe are seeing Catholicism (and other religions) as the outdated, outmoded, superstitious nonsense that they actually are.

Your point about Africa is also incorrect, if it were correct then there wouldn’t be an increasing number of people throughout the continent rejecting all forms of religion, and openly declaring as atheist.

Watching the dying West celebrate its decadence would be funny if it wasn’t so sad — and so scary. The truth is, life for Christians in the West will get much worse before it starts getting any better.

Our job as the darkness deepens is to start building the foundation for what will follow. Three places in particular are ripe with possibilities.

1. Defend life. The right to life is the issue of our day, and it’s a good one: Abortion exposes the deep bankruptcy of the bold new secularist morality: It is an ideology willing to kill to protect sexual license. Defending infant life is the quickest way to wake people up to what is happening.

Again, you conflate.  Atheism and secularity are not tied to the abortion issue.  Not all Christians are pro life, and not all atheists are pro choice. Anyway, if you’re pro life, how do you apologise for the people who murder abortion clinic workers?

If you’re going to make a statement, a least have the decency to make it relevant to the issue at hand.

2. Practice devotions to the Divine Mercy and Our Lady of Guadalupe. There are two solid reasons to do this: First, because the world desperately needs Christ’s forgiveness and Our Lady’s care. Second, because the more we do this, the more comfortable our immigrant brothers and sisters will feel coming to our churches — and if we could only evangelize them, we would snatch back the future of our country.

So… Your solution is for everybody to mumble to themselves?  Not at all sure how that’s going to help.

And by ‘evangelize’ do you actually mean ‘brainwash’?  Sure sounds like it to me.  But then, it’s what you do isn’t it, you Catholics.

3. Build strong families. The family is the basic building block of society. That is not an ideological assertion, it is a description of all human experience. However clever Western secularists think they are, and however absurd they think Catholics are, our grandchildren will be the ones to decide what history will record about the child-averse sophisticates who once ruled the world.

I actually agree with you, we do need to rely on the strong family unit.

However, where we differ is that I refuse to accept your narrow view of what constitutes a family.  You don’t decide for me, much as you would like to!

We Catholics will always love Ireland, America and Europe. It is sad to realize that they no longer love us back.

Anything in your Bible that says they have to?

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” – Matthew 5:44

You tried an inquisition to force the issue and get the natives to love you… That didn’t work out terribly well, did it?

Hey! Maybe the secular community has a memory that is just as long as yours and don’t relish the idea of another inquisition.  Could that be at the root of the lack of love?

Ah, well. One day Indian, Chinese and African missionaries may rescue them from the historical irrelevance they are hurtling into with such abandon.

Historical irrelevance? Again, citation required.  How did you arrive at this conclusion? Working out must be shown.

Also, any missionaries will be treated with the disdain they so thoroughly deserve.

At least I hope so!

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4 Responses to Secular Meltdown! Oh My God!

  1. Of course his problem isn’t with secularism, per se. It’s with the rejection of his particular narrow brand of Catholic moral dogma as the basis for law in our societies. He doesn’t just want us to have a god, he wants us to be governed in accordance with his God.

    I find his conclusions on population, and his emphasis on the specific need for European Christians to breed more European Christians both xenophobic and racist. If you look at the mediterranean right now, you can clearly see as many people as Europe wants or needs, we can have them. And as far as his laughable conclusions we’ll all be living under Shari’a law, the man does not understand the geopolitics in play. The people we’re taking in as refugees and asylum seekers, and that’s really what he means when he talks about his dystopian fantasy of a European population ‘in 2050 will be much more likely to support Sharia’, are largely fleeing oppressive fundamentalist regimes and sectarian violence. What Europe is getting are, by and large, normal people who would just like to raise their children someplace where they won’t be massacred or kidnapped, en masse, as sex slaves, or have their bus blown up on their way to school.

    It is absolutely amazing to me the amount of hate and fear mongering he manages to pack in there. I mean I shouldn’t be amazed, because it’s really nothing special in the annals of paranoid, socially conservative religious rhetoric, but he manages to hit the whole chord of homophobia, racism, xenophobia, and mysogyny. (Yep. Who do you think is supposed to incubate all the Western Christian babies that are needed to save Europe from imminent social and cultural collapse at the hands of the secularists and its impending fall to the Ottoman empire… oh wait.) All from a man who, broadly speaking, identifies as a member of the largest religion in the world. I mean, last I checked, the Christians were still up like eight hundred million Believers on the Muslims.

    But my favorite, favorite part is what appears to be his assertion that by rejecting his particular brand of oppressive religion-based legislation, Europe may ultimately end up governed by an oppressive theocratic regime. (But it would be a bad one, guys. Because it’s not his.)

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  2. Godless Mom says:

    If the solution to many problems was to mumble to ourselves, I’d have no problems left to solve.

    Liked by 1 person

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